Waves Breaking

A podcast in which Avren Keating interviews other transgender, genderqueer, and/or gender variant poets about their life and work in order to figure out their place in the world.
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Dec 12, 2016

This month’s interview is with none other than Jayy Dodd! In this episode we talk about their work in other genres of art and critique, compensation for labor, and their newest chapbook, [sugar in the tank].


[sugar in the tank] can be found here

Jayy Dodd’s website

“All my exes look like mass murderers”

Jayy as an editor

Jayy as a graphic designer

Jayy as Social Media manager

Donate to Jayy for their work here and here

Georgina Arroyo’s website

The Shade Journal, issue 1

Langston Hughes’ “I, Too”

“Hyel’s Zumbi”

Tafisha A. Edwards

Morgan Parker

Danez Smith

Joshua Jennifer Espinoza

Luther Hughes

The Sound of Waves Breaking is Lucille Clifton reading her work “blessing the boats,” a poem I return to often in this post-election climate.

Oct 27, 2016

I am so honored to get to speak with Vita E. Cleveland about her recent chapbook Dedications. The conversation, of course, wanders toward her percussion expertise, musings on art's intersection with activism, slut shaming in activist circles, and more. 

Notes of Poets Mentioned in this episode:
Vita E's tumblr
Vita E's youtube
Vita's new ebook, Dedications
Saul Williams
J Mase III
Regie Cabico 
Kavindu Ade
awQward Talent Agency
TaneshaNicole Tyler's performance at TED Talk
Timothy DuWhite
CeCe McDonald giving a talk at the Humanist Hall
Dane Figueroa Edidi
Ashleigh Shackelford
Capturing Fire 2016
Edited by: Mitchel Davidovitz, whose experimental audio work you can check out at his bandcamp
"The Sounds of Waves Breaking" was Vita E's drum solo "Clave." You can listen to the entirety of "Clave" at her SoundCloud page. 
Transcripts forthcoming.
Sep 16, 2016

In this month's episode, Jay Besemer and I talk about his recent book, Chelate, along with other topics, including: living with chronic illness, our relationship with nature, sci-fi, poetry comics, and time.


Books and things mentioned in this episode:

Theme Music is by Bahati Kiro

Music throughout is by Chris Zorn

Transcripts forthcoming from Amir Rabiyah

The Sound of Waves Breaking is the ambient noise of Terok Nor from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

Aug 1, 2016

In this episode I talk with Cameron Awkward-Rich about his approaches to poetry and theory, and the poetry in his new book Sympathetic Little Monster.

Cameron has published poems in The Journal, cream city review, Muzzle Magazine, Hobart, The Seattle Review, The Offing and elsewhere. He is a Cave Canem Fellow, a poetry editor at Muzzle Magazine, and currently a doctoral candidate in Modern Thought & Literature at Stanford University. Cam is the author of the chapbook Transit (Button Poetry, 2015) and his debut collection, Sympathetic Little Monster, was published by Ricochet Editions in 2016.

Go check out Sympathetic Little Monster, its a wonderful collection. 


Writers who were mentioned in the shout outs: 

James Baldwin's essay "Here Be Monsters"

Aracelis Girmay

Ari Banias

Danez Smith

Franny Choi

Sam Sax

Justin Phillip Reed

Fatimah Asghar

Aziza Barnes

Hanif Willis-Abdurraqib


The Sound of Waves Breaking this week is the sound of opening an attic, as found on

Jul 3, 2016

Jai Arun Ravine talks to me about their newest book, The Romance of Siam, just released from Timeless, Infinite Light. We talk about their use of humor in critiquing orientalism, the tourist industry in Thailand, and their process as an interdisciplinary artist. 

The sound of waves breaking is "Once in a Lifetime," the theme song for Thailand's tourism campaign. 

Jai’s website:

The Romance of Siam:

Jai’s performance piece from 2010, “TOMBOIGATOEYMANGO”:

Once in a Lifetime Commercial:

Ambient Asian Space:

Jo Ann Wasserman’s book of sestinas, “The Escape”:

Gabriel Ojeda-Sague & Jai Arun Ravine in conversation about adjacency:

Gabriel’s book:

Jim Thompson, the Unsolved Mystery:

Information about W. Somerset Maugham in Thailand:


May 29, 2016

In this episode I get to talk to Zoe Tuck in a coffee shop in Oakland. We discuss speculative fiction, the second wave feminism she navigated during her coming of age years, spirituality, trans identities and collective memory, and more. 

Zoe's website is here: and you can order Terror Matrix from TIL here: 

Other writers and thinkers brought up in this show: 


David Antin:

Interview that Tom Leger was part that I referenced:

"What is Bay Area Poetry" Podcast:

Zoe’s review of Archipelago:

Connie Willis:

Ursula K. Le Guinn:

Laura Moriarty:

Alice Notley:

Zach Ozma:

bell hooks on arts education and visual politics:

May 7, 2016

In this episode I have the pleasure of interviewing the current editors of Vetch: A Magazine of Trans Poetry and Poetics: Kay Gabriel, Stephen Ira, Liam O'Brien and Rylee Lyman. We talk about their approaches to putting the journal together, their insights into transgender poetics, and touch on the archival of transgender/gender-variant art. 

There's a huge reading/viewing list for this episode. Explore all the trans art!

The Sound of Waves Breaking for this episode is a clip from Season 4 of DBZ "Goku's Special Technique."

Mar 31, 2016

In this interview I get a chance to talk with Joy Ladin. We talk about her latest book Impersonation, how her relationship to poetic language changed as she transitioned, the use of persona in poetry, the early Modernists, and trends in trans & gender-variant poetry.


Email me at:

Theme music by Bahati Kiro, transition music by Chris Zorn. 

The Sound of Waves Breaking is from the Nasa's new collection of space sounds up on Soundcloud. It's Chorus Radio waves from within Earth's atmosphere.

Feb 21, 2016

Today's show features a conversation between Loma and me about the government influence on poetry, the boundaries of a poem between other objects and being, poetry & activism, struggling with how to write poetry about domestic abuse, fearlessness, and more.

Poets & essays mentioned in this episode:

Juliana Spahr and her influential essay on Contemporary Poetry and Its Nationalisms: ( )

Loma's website ( )

Dark Matter: ( )

Joshua Jennifer Espinoza: ( )

Stephanie Burt ( )

TC Tolbert ( )

Julian T. Brolaski ( )

Jan 31, 2016

In this interview I am in conversation with poet and activist Amir Rabiyah. This is the first episode of "Waves Breaing," a podcast in which I, a lonesome transbaby, interview my contemporaries in trans and genderqueer poetry. 


Help out Aurora Levins Morales at

and Amir Rabiyah's Hambidge Residency at